You asked, we listened. Here's our thoughts on how the new Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S compares to the Michelin Pilot Super Sport.
We tried to make a 5 minute video to explain the differences, but sadly we failed and this video is 9 minutes. If you're not a tyre geek, but are curious about the differences between the two tyres, feel free to skip to the conclusion at 6:10 as that covers most of it.
Any questions or comments please feel free to ask below, or on YouTube.
Hi, I have BMW X5M 2018 F85
It came with PSS*
My options are either to buy the same PSS* or go for PS4S generic
I do daily commute and long journey in UK so has mixture of wet and dry. Never do track but does go to german autobans occasionally
What do you advise? PSS* or PS4S?
Thanks
PS4S generic will have a lot more wet grip and better comfort, so this is where my money would go.
Thanks for your prompt reply
Hi there, am looking to replace PSS* (OE) tyres on my m2 - options at local dealers only seem to be PS4S (non OE) or Sport Cup 2* (OE). Car is mainly road driven with occasional day on track. Would you suggest either of these two options or have an alternative you'd recommend?
Check out this video - https://www.tyrereviews.com...
Great, thank you for that - was just what I was looking for!
I'd pick the Asym 5 over the PSS as it's a better all round tyre, and a fair bit better in the wet. There's plenty of other tests on the site which will help confuse you more with other options too!
Hi. I have a 2014 Lexus IS250 and I was wondering what tire is best suited for my car. I was thinking of getting either the pilot sport 4S or the pilot sport all season 4? What are the big differences between the two tires and how would they change the driving characteristics? Thanks.
4S a little better in the dry and wet, AS4 much better in snow and ice. I've not actually compared them properly in the dry and wet so can't give a huge amount of detail, sorry
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I have a 2009 Lexus SC430 currently riding on Bridgestone Driveguard RFT's. Thinking of swapping out the RFT's and installing Pilot Sport 4S all around. Do you recommend, and would I notice a big difference in the way the car rides and handles? Thanks
You'll notice more grip, especially in the wet, and much better comfort. Handling might feel a bit softer, but it's a worthy trade.
Thanks for the info.
Could you please suggest R18 rear street tyres for best dry grip and 0-100 kph acceleration? Car is RWD ~300 hp, 1500 kg. Thanks!
Anything that does well in braking should do well in traction, so you can reverse some of the tests :)
Hi, great video :) Looking for some advice please. Apparently PS4s are not available for size 255/35/18? I've got a z4 e89 with front 225/40/18 and rear 255/35/18. I was thinking to do PS4s on front and rear PSS or PSS all around? I think I have the option of PS4 all round but I think there are inferior compared to PS4s and PSS? Or buy other alloy wheels to be able to fit PS4s? :D TIA
As great as the PS4 is, if you're changing all 4 I'd swap to a tyre that I can match front and rear like the Asymmetric 5
Hi, thanks in advance for your time. In my country (Mexico) I cant get the PS4s in size 18, so Im left to choose between the PSS and the PS4. I want the more sporty experience of the PSS, but is it drastically louder then the PS4? or nothing to be concerned about?
The PS4 can get noisy when worn, so I doubt there's much difference at all. Also look up the Goodyear Eagle F1 SuperSport
No 18s for the Goodyears here :(. guess Ill go for the PSS. Thanks!!
Let me know how you get on with the PSS :)
Hi, I have a AWD Merc C43 and just had my PS4S replaced which i loved. The dealership has put PS4S on the front and PSS on the rear. Thought this was unusual so called a rep at Michelin who said they will be ok, advising that I will notice more grip but may wear a little quicker but are better than the PS4S ? I wans't sure on their opinion given they know the dealership and after watching your video. I now feel like I should get the dealership to change the rears to PS4S ?
While it's not the end of the world, ideally you should match where you can. The MPS4S has more wet grip, so the car might be setup for oversteer in the wet now.
It might be the case that your rears aren't available in MPS4S
Thanks for the reply. The MPS4S are available next day but the dealership thought they would use PSS as they had them in stock... They advised a mix up with spare parts and will change if I want. I wasn't going to change them initially but after watching your video that the MPS4S are a better tyre I started to think differently and expect the PSS will wear faster and I will need to change the rears before the fronts.
If they'll change them without a fight, there's no reason not to have matching tyres :)
Hi. Just watched your PSS v PS4S vid. I’m upgrading from PSS to PS4S on my E92M3 (Alpine Edition so slightly lower suspension). Current tyres are F 245/35 R19 R 265/35 R19 and struggling to find fronts. I noticed you fitted slightly larger (F255 R275) - would these be ok for my car.
Also, I can get PSS in original size for the front so any thoughts on mixing PSS front with PS4S rear.
Your thoughts much appreciated.
Hmm, ideally you wouldn't mix them, especially if you're already doing all four.
The 255 front would likely fit ok, but ideally you'd want to go to 275 rear for balance, which is starting to be a lot of changes and you'd have to let your insurance company know. Ideally, I'd hold out and find the 245 front.
Thanks for swift response! Fronts are proving an issue with OS4S’s for some reason. May stick with PSS after all as no size issues. Other than an annual run to the ‘Ring & Spa - which may be cancelled this year anyway - the car won’t see a track and given I swap to winters in Oct/Nov for 5/6 months the loss of the PS4S’s apparent superior wet grip won’t be a huge loss.
https://www.tyrereviews.co.... worth a watch if you've not already seen
Seen it thanks. Will stick with PSS. Have been happy with them to date. And spend enough time agonising over tyre choice on my more focused track cars! - this isn’t my only car and and spends 98% of it’s time being driven ‘normally’ on road.
Would it be okay to run PSS on the front and PS4 on the rears? for the below setup
Or should I stick to PSS all around?
BMW e91 RWD running 270-280bhp.
225/40/18 Front - PSS
255/35/18 Rear - PS4
I'd stick with the PSS, the PS4 will feel soft and it might feel like the car is more prone to oversteer
Thanks for the quick response!
Are there any other tyres you would suggest to run in this setup on the rears?
I initially wanted asym 5`s but It`d be shame to waste the PSS on the fronts.
Asym 5 is good too, as is the F1 SuperSport if available
Hi, this video is several years old now, have the PSS been updated, or is the S4S still the better tyre?
If it's relevant, I'm looking at switching from P-Zero on an F-type R, and S4S is looking like the best tyre at the moment. My driving is primarily road, occasional track, and wet handling is important (since I'm in the UK).
PS4S replaced the PSS. PS5S will be the next tyre, not due until 2021
Hi. I drive a 2011 MINI JCW, running factory 205/45/R17 runflats. I am about to ditch my factory run flats and replace all 4. The general consensus in the JCW community is PSS. As these have been replaced with the PS4S I thought they would be a good option, unfortunately the PS4S doesn't appear to be available in R17, is this correct? What would you suggest otherwise? PS4? Cheers, Rich
The Goodyear Asym 5 would be the natural alternative to PS4
Thanks for replying so quickly. I'm not looking for an alternative to the PS4, as that is available in R17. It is the PS4S that is not available in R17. Not many reviews on Goodyear Asym 5, is this a new tyre?
Out at the end of last year, there's plenty of test data on the site :)
Would you say the Goodyear Eagle F1 Supersport is a better tyre than the Ps4 and PSS?.
Thanks
There's a few videos on this :) For me, yes
Hi I drive MB E350 CDI Sport Blueefficiency 265hps, currently have front tyres Pilot Sport 4 245/40 ZR18 (97Y) XL and rear tyres Michelin Pilot Sport PS2, 265/35 ZR18 (97Y) XL N3 (before PS4 265/35 R18). Will be replacing all 4 tyres fairly soon. What tyres would you recommend as best of the best in categories dry/wet handling & braking, wear, comfort? I am a bit dynamic driver beside I drive diesel car. Sadly I notice that PS4s tyres are not available in 18" size. I appreciate your comment. Thanks, Greg
If the new F1 SuperSport is available I'd give that a shot, if not it'll either be the PS4 again or the Asym 5
Hi I have a mk8 fiesta st running 205/40/18 Michelin Super Sports.
Michelin have brought out a 215/35/18 in the Pilot 4S.
I would love to have 4S tyres but would making the tyre wider and the sidewalk smaller have a negative effect or would they equal eachother out?
I sadly can't comment on specific fitments as there's too many variables at play such as suspension clearance. In theory it wouldn't be a huge difference, but you'd have to check with others, and let your insurance company know
Hello there, I'm about to change the Conti SportContact 5 runflats on my 2016 335d. Planned on ditching the runflats for PS4s (18" so a little limited on choice) - does this sound sensible or am I missing a better option?
If you're happy getting rid of runflats, PS4 or Eagle F1 SuperSport
I was until your reply!
I'd assumed quieter and better ride comfort at the expense of slightly duller turn in due softer sidewalls and the need for a can of foam?
Maybe a test - PS4 comes as a runflat too and I don't think there's ever been a side by side comparison done before.
Great content btw.
You assume correctly :) I've been trying to do something with runflats for a while, but no one wants to talk about them :(
Hi there, running PSS on my 2018 M3 but had a rear right puncture at the weekend. Have to change both tyres on the rear axle but still have good wear on the PSS up front. Can I run PSS up front and PS4S in the rears without any problems?
Yeah it'll be fine, just match the fronts when they're done :)
Hi, I just ordered four PS4S for my Jaguar XE, 225/40/19 (front) & 255/35/19 (rear). I am curious about the ones on the front, there are 2 types (https://www.michelin.co.uk/...
1. 225/40/R19 93Y XL | *B (Wet)
2. 225/40/R19 93ZR(Y) XL A (Wet)
I know the first ones (*) are for BMW. Will there be any issue fitting these? Or should I go for the second ones?
Thank you!
Ideally you would match the tyres as best as possible, so I would fit the non-BMW specific tyre like the rear.
Thanks for the quick reply.
Hello, could it also be a Sport Contact 6 option, what do you get? Although I think these tires are going to wear very fast at the Nurburgring.
Thank you
I agree, I would still go with the PSS for a lot of track use if the Cup 2 is not an option.
Ok, thank you for the answer.
Hi, I have a C63 AMG from 2010 with 235/35 19 and 255/30 19 stock. I have doubts about which model to ride. This summer I'm going to travel to the Nurburgring and I want several days on the circuit. The Sport Cup2 is not an option because it is not available in the back, so I doubt between PSS and PS4s. I want the maximum grip in dry asphalt and the maximum information in the direction of the limit, which do you think will be more satisfactory in driving to the limit in the Nurburgring? With what do you think I can do better times and better feelings to the limit? Excuse my English, I only speak Spanish, little English. Please in future videos it would be interesting to have subtitles.
Thank you.
regards
PSS is the better dry handling track tyre than the PS4S, I would go with that.
Ok, thank you for the answer
Hi, currently running Michelin PS4S’s on the front of my CLS63 SB and PSS on the rear. Need new rears and PS4S’s aren’t supplied in 285/30/19.
Rear rims are 10J, so my question is, can I run 295/30/19’s on these rims which is available in a PS4S fitment without issue?
Thanks.
Hi, sadly without checking, I'm unable to comment on specific tyre fitment. I'd suggest heading over to an owners forum where you will find people who have tried it :)
I have a 2015 Panamera GTS on PSS. I need to replace both front and back near side Tyres due to pothole damage and a nail in the rear (MOT failure) offside still have some tread left but will require replacing in the future. I was very impressed with your video and the PS4S certainly seem the way to go especially in the wet. Do you think I could safely mix new PS4S on both near side with the old PSS on the off side and replace those with PS4S when they require changing?
I wouldn't recommend mixing across axles I'm afraid, tyres should always be replaced in pairs!
Hi, I am driving Mercedes E300 2018 with runflat tyres (Tyre sizes are font: 245/40R19, back: 275/35R19) but I want to change those tyres to a normal tyres for better comfort and lower noise, would you recommend this PS4s or Primacy 4 or Tuzanra T005. I am mainly driving inner city though.
Any non-runflat tyre should be a big improvement on comfort and noise, so any of the tyres listed would be great. Personally I'd look at the Primacy 4
What you didn’t mention is how the tyre compared with dealing with bumps ridges and cambers in the road, Currently have pilot super sports on my M2 and I find they get twitchy and tramline a fair bit. From your back to back testing did you find the the PS4S to deal with this better?
They sure do :)
Can anyone please advise? Thanks.
I have a Ferrari F12 I purchased recently second hand with Pirelli P Zero tyres all round.
I cant comment on the grip as I haven't taken it to the limit yet but the ride over UK roads is awful - noisy, tramlines badly and jars over every little bump. In short, the NVH is very poor. At high speed I also find the tramlining unnerving as the car pulls left and right.
So I am keen, even though the tyres have lots of tread left, to switch to Michelins.
I read great reviews on the new Michelin Sport 4 S tyre but it's not homologated for the Ferrari F12 and so my local dealer recommends the older Michelin Pilot Super Sport (K2).
Will I get any gain in stability and NVH switching to the MPSS or should I go to a non-Ferrari garage and fit the newer 4S?
I'd love to know your recommendations as the consensus appears away from Pirelli to Michelin but the question is which one?
Without doing the test myself it's very difficult to say, but I know a number of Ferrari drivers (not FF) who have switched to the 4S over the SuperSport and had no issues. The 4S brings quite a lot of comfort over the SuperSport, and as this seems to be your priority, I'd suggest pushing your research in this route.
I had my heart set on the Goodyear F1A3 after your review and now i come across this review.
I have a 2012 B8.5 Audi S4 Avant in South Africa, and do mostly highway cruising and spirited backroad driving. 2 Fronts Tyres are Michelin PS3 255/35/R19 96Y XL +- 5mm tread left. Rears are Goodyear F1A2 less than 2mm tread left. Do I replace the Goodyears with F1A3 or with Michelin PS4S? I will replace the fronts with the same spec when its dead. Consider here in SA the PS4S is nearly double the price of the F1A3.
The PS4S is a better tyre, but not twice as good.
The A3 is a great tyre, and at half the price of the Michelin a comparative bargain!
Thank you so much, this has really made my decision so much easier, F1A3's it is for me at that price.
Good review on the tyres. Hopefully you are able to do a review on the PS4 vs the PS4s also.
As I cannot source the PS4s in 18", would you go for the PSS or the PS4 for fast road use and the occasional track day? They will be on the car all year round, even during the typical British winters in the south.
PS4 vs 4S coming very soon hopefully!
If running on track I'd be tempted to stick with the PSS as they'll perform better under extreme conditions. There is a wet grip advantage to the PS4 though, so you need to decide what you prioritise :)
Thanks for the quick response. I’ll probably do one track day the whole year so it’s tempting to go for the added wet performance of the PS4.
Look forward to the comparison!
Let me know what you decide with and how you find them!
Hi just seen the review and have to say brill job! I have a astra j gtc vxr (FWD) and as it stand i have PSS all round but need the 2 front ones changed (have loads of tread left on rears) i have been looking at the PS4s but would you mix or keep to all the same? I drive all year round in all weather, but am finding at the moment i am getting more than i should wheel spin and cant determine if thats due to the PSS which is pushing me towards PS4s.
Cheers
Hmm. Ideally I'd say new PS4S on the rear, move rear PSS to front so they wear quicker. This is the ideal situation, but it's worth noting that the relative difference in carcass stiffness could upset the balance of the car. I'd try the above, and if it feels weird move the PS4S to the front.
Hi Just wanted to say what a great review. I need some help as I had my heart set of Michelin PS4s for my 1999 EVO VI but they dont make it in 225/40/18. So The choice is either the Michelin PS4 or the Michelin PSS. Car is only driven in warm sunny days during May to October. NEver out in the rain unless I get caught in the rain whilst out. No track days but very spirited driving. Looking for grip , feedback over wear and noise but they do matter . So what is the better choice of the 2 aboce or any others
Warm sunny days, never in the rain.. Cup 2s :)
Of the two choices, as you've got a lot of power, I would go for the PSS over PS4.
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Hi,
I own a Carrera 911 2011 coupe and need 2 front tires only as the rear are fairly new.
I have Pilot Super Sport in rear, is it ok to mix with Pilot Sport 4S in front?
Thanks for your help.
It's not ideal, but is perfectly ok to do so.
Be mindful in the wet as the 4S are quite a bit better than the PSS
Thanks. I know but the rear are almost new, it will be such a waste.
I wonder what would you do if like me don't want to replace all 4 tires:
Buy the same 2 front PSS (taking a chance that the rear PSS may be discontinued when need replacing - always faster than front) or buy the P4S?
Thanks again.
I would look at how quickly you wore the fronts compared to rears. As the 911 is RWD I would expect you'll wear through your rears much more quickly, so I would by the 4S for the front as you'll probably get two sets of rears to every front.
Exactly my thought. I just wasn't sure if mixing them made sense.
Thanks again!
Hi
New owner of a e92 M3, I’m hesitating between PSS, PS4 and Sport Cup 2.
My usage is 3 trackdays a year and some fun on open roads (I love round abouts on the wet and slightly sliding in corners on the dry).
What would you recommend ?
Thanks !
The ideal scenario would be two sets of wheels, with a set of Cup 2's on for the track and the PS4S for the road.
If it has to be one set of tyres, go with the PS4S as the Cup 2's are too much of a compromise for daily work year round on an M3.
Hi, for a Porsche Cayman GT4; currently with Michelin pilot sport cup 2. In your opinion will the Michelin pilot sport 4s be an significant improvement for all round weather, especially in the wet? Car Scotland. Or any other tyre set up that you think will be better? I will keep the cup2's for summer dry road, and the odd track day. Thanks
Hi,
I'm comparing the Cup 2 vs the PS4S on the M3 at the moment, and yes the PS4S is a significant improvement in cold weather performance!
Great Thanks
Very interesting comparison, when are you going to upload something about this ?
Editing as we speak, subscribe to the youtube channel so you know when it's uploaded :)
Hi,
Great review/comparison and you have me sold on PS4S.
Got few questions if you could help.
I have recently bought a BMW F10 M5 and it came fitted with the following:
265/40 R19 98V contiwinter contact (Front)
285/35 ZR19 99Y Bridgestone potenza (Rear)
The issues I see are two folds, first, the rear tyre is of incorrect width, need 295 to fix that. The car lacks grip at start, hopefully this will fix it to some extent.
The other issue is mixing of winter tyres in the front and all weather at the rear. How big an issue this is? I am going to be driving in south east England most of the time so don’t think I really need winter tyres except in most cases.
So if I swap my rear tyres with the correct size of PS 4S and leave winter Conti’s in the front for now, how detrimental it is going to be in terms of overall performance. If I can carry on then I plan to change my front tyres mid year.
Else, I will bite the bullet now and swap all 4s at once. Any guidance will be highly appreciated. Thanks
I wouldn't recommend mixing winter and summer on any car, let alone an M5! With the PS4S at the rear and Contis at the front you'll have a very strangely balanced car, with a lot of push understeer, and in the dry relatively weak braking. As the Continental winter tyres wear they will start to behave more like a summer tyre, but I'd be so much happier running all 4 corners of the car the same.
PS Nice car :)
Thanks. Appreciate the quick response. I value your opinion and will go for PS4S on all 4 corners.
PS: it is an amazing car indeed. I had an e90 325i prior to this and I thought that was a powerful car before I drove this one ;). Still getting the hang of unbelievable acceleration before doing anything silly.
Let me know the difference the new tyres make, I predict it will help your confidence with the car a huge amount!
Will do.
Sorry, it’s me again. I was placing an order when the tyre dealer told me that PS4S are Mercedes tyres and I should go for PSS. It didn’t make sense because I read your launch impressions where Michelin had these tyres on an M4.
I called up Michelin helpline and they told me that these tyres are designed for Mercedes and perform best on a Mercedes although it can be used on a BMW and even he tried to nudge me towards PSS. It’s strange why would Michelin give reporters these tyres to try out on a car where they are not going to perform at their best.
Now I am concerned that although PS4S can be used on my M5 but if something were to happen to the car would my insurance company try to use this as an excuse? Luckily, I have never had any insurance claim ever but I know these companies willl try to use any excuse not to pay.
Do you know why this might be that these tyres are not marked suitable for BMW like PSS if they are the next gen of the same tyres? Licensing issue?
Although I want to go for the best but in this case I am being tempted to go for PSS and hope that by the time it comes to next set of tyres this has been resolved.
Do the M4 and M5 run the same tyre sizes? I thought they were different!
As we're never told exactly what changes are made for each brand approval it would be difficult to say with total accuracy, but given how much the PS4S moved the game on in comfort and wet grip over the PSS, it would be my guess that an MO marked PS4S would still be a better tyre than an aftermarket PSS on the new M5.
The choice is up to you, but there are no legal or insurance issues, and as you're changing all 4 tyres, you don't need to worry about a balance issue either.
Hi, I wanted to give you a quick update on my experience on running my M5 F10 on the 4s.
I was sold after watching this comparison but was confused by Michelin sales rep who advised me against this tyre since it is marked for Mercedes. In the end I took your advise and bought these for all 4 corners last week. It has been just about 300 miles of which first 100-150 was more easy break in drive. But what a revelation this tyre has been in the little time I have spent with these (including some spirited driving over the sunny long weekend).
My tyre spin is down by 60-70%, and I struggle to lose the tail at lower speed which I could do very easily on my earlier Bridgestones. This is probably the grippiest tyres I have had in the dry and hate to say but waiting for some rain now to experience wet handling. Thanks to your comprehensive review/comparison I made the right decision and now look forward to fun I am going to have riding these 550 horses (with respect ;) ). Cheers!
Thanks for the update :) While they've got probably the best wet handling in class, you still have a lot of power so don't expect miracles. They will be many times better than the Bridgestone though.
Hi
I currently have Continental SportContact 6 & looking to change the tyres - would you recommend paying the extra for the PS4S or stick with the SportContact 6 tyres?
Thanks
Hi,
Looking at the test data, the extra purchase price of the Michelin is more than offset by increased mileage, so that would be my current choice
Thanks for the quick response - could you confirm the treadwear rating on the Pilot Sport 4S for me?
Thanks
We don't hold treadwear data for tyres as it's not a reliable comparison between brands.
You can see the TUV mileage report here http://www.tyrereviews.co.u...
Please could you confirm what the Red and Blue sections on the chart mean under Longevity? I’ve done 15k miles on my SportContact 6 and have approx 5.5mm remaining on front with 3.5mm on the rears
I believe it's representing the percentage of life compared to the PS4S.
G'day from Downunder,
Some feedback from Australia:
First up - Top work on the video!
Secondly, I just did the tyres on my car (E90 M3) and ended up going with the Super Sports, reason being, for some reason here in Sydney nobody had any stock of the 4s' or if they did they wanted nearly DOUBLE the price of the PSS'!
It seems that for the very small differences V cost the PSS' are still the way to go maybe?
Keep up the good work,
Craig
Same boat here mate! - In Sydney looking for the 4s for a ZL1.. Anyone?!
Have you tried talking to any of the big wholesalers who will have direct accounts with Michelin?
mate what are you talking about? I'm getting prices for my M4. PSS is $460 and 4S is $473 (Bob Jane) sydney.
Hey!
I'm currently running 235/40 r18 front and 255/35 r18 rear on my Mazda Rx-8, im going to be buying new tires soon so im wondering if I should go for the 235/265 split or go for the 245/275 split?
Sadly I can't give any advice regarding moving away from stock OE sizes due to the amount of variables involved. Check the owners forums to see what the general consensus is :)
How is the wear rate of the Pilot Sport 4S vs PS4?
Interesting question. As far as I know no nine has tested them back to back but looking at the TUV figures for each tyre I expect them to be very similar
For dual purposes tire, PS4S or AD08R?
Depends on the balance of purposes.
If you're doing the majority of the miles on the road and you'll be using it across the winter, PS4S.
As the winter is approaching the Swedish west coast it's time to swap for winter tires. Perfect time to plan my new summertires.
I am currently running PSS 245/35-19 front and 275/30-19 rear on my BMW 530D and they need replacement.
What would be a better choice, PS4 or PS4S?
I don't do trackdays but I need the tire to perform in both dry and wet with focus more for wet since I live in Sweden and my wide tires don't like rain right now in combination with 600Nm of torque on the rears.
What am I looking for?
A tire that performs on the road dry and wet and a tire that is comfortable and quiet. Rim guard is a must also.
Since I have a real nice fitment and stance with the given sizes I would like to but the same sizes if possible. My rims are 8,5 front and 9,5 rear with 245/35-19 front and 275/30-19 rear.
Thank you for your help.
Given the PS4 isn't available in your size, the PS4S is the natural option :)
Obviously neither will work on snow or ice, you'll need a full winter for that.
It's summertires I am looking after off course :)
How is the PS4S compared to the PS4 for my application?
For winter I am running on Nokian Hakkapellita 9 studded 225/50-17 front and rear.
The PS4S is slightly more performance focused than the PS4 and the ideal match for your car (the PS4 isn't in your size so not an option!)
I have a W205 c63 and my OEM tire sizes are 245/35/19 for the front and 265/35/19 for the back. I was wondering if I could switch the back tires to pss 295/30/19 and leave the fronts the same size for grip... or will that affect the drive... the reason I would drop to 30 is so the tire can fit. Do I have to go up a few sizes for the front tire as well ?
The balance of the car will change, but more importantly when moving from a 265 to a 295 you risk the wheel not being wide enough to fit the tyre properly, plus the tyre might have body work clearance issues!
I know someone who put them on and they fit fine. What do you recommend I change the front to if I go wider in the back ?
I can't really advise properly without driving the car, but I personally wouldn't consider jumping much about a 255/35 front.
265/35 R19 needs a 9-10.5 inch wheel with 9.50 ideal.
295/30 R19 needs a 10-11 inch wheel with 10.5 being perfect.
This not clear in his wording at the beginning...Are the 4 and 4s just designations for different sizes of tires OR is the internal construction of these two models different, one from the other ?
This confusion is all within the first minute of the video....very confusing spoken word whilst a video is being shown at a Michelin factory.
The construction of the 4 and 4S are different.
Thanks for the clarification.
I am running on 245/40/19 front and 275/35/19 rear OEM sizes. Would I be best to go with PSS all round or PS4 front and PS4S rear as these are the only size options in those tyres?
Given the choice I would always fit matching tyres front and rear. It might be worth checking out an owner specific forum to see if anyone has swapped to 255/35 R19 fronts...
I had Michelin super sports on my Mazda and loved them. I changed my car to a Volvo XC60 and I'm looking at which tyres are best suited to it. It's currently on Pirelli Scorpion Verde Asymmetric. Would the Pilot Super Sport 4 S be worthwhile fitting as it hardly comparable to an M3 or 911.
A good tyre works well on any vehicle. If they're made in your size and load rating, the MPS4S would still be an excellent choice as it has class leading grip and comfort :)
Would love to see these tyres against the Pilot Sport Cup 2. PLEASE PLEASE do that video :)
Trying our best :)
thanks, i love this site and spend hrs on it
Thank you, appreciated :)
Great video! Thank you!
Based upon your video and other research, I'm going to buy a set of PS4S' for a 2010 Porsche TT cabriolet:
235/35 - 19 front and 305/30- 19 rear.
The main purpose will be mountain driving with lots of curves as well as ups and downs from about 9,000´ to 12,500´ and down again.
Apparently, the PS4S should not be used when the ambient air temperature is below 40° F. If you have any thoughts about this, please let me know.
Thanks again!
As long as you're not expecting the tyres to work in snow and ice, they'll be great. We've used the PS4S in minus conditions (c) and as long as you let them warm up a little there's plenty of grip.
They will be bad on snow and ice, so you'll need a winter tyre if you want to be mobile in those conditions!
Hello sir,
Many thanks for your work that helps us a lot in choosing the right tyre for our use.
Unfortunately in our country the choice of sport tyres are limited so that's why I ask you this question.
Can you tell me the different between PS4 and PSS?
You have partly answer my question on the comfort, noise and wet grip improvement of PS4. But can you give me your thinking of them in dry handling and braking and tread wear also.
Best regards,
Arian
No one has tested the PS4 and PSS back to back, so any answer would just be an educated guess. My educated guess would be PS4 would have similar dry handling and braking performance, better tread wear, but will feel softer in dry handling when compared to the PSS as it's not as performance orientated.
Michelin said (prior to the PS4S being released) to use the MPSS in favour of the PS4 in extreme conditions such as track use.
In almost all other conditions the PS4 would be as good as the MPSS.
Great review!
I tested the cup2 and PSS on a Renault megane 3RS CUP , I loved the CUP2 for the track and the PSS everyday use... what about the 4S?
The CUP2 have a very short mileage (15.000km), the PSS over 30.000 and my conclusion is that the CUP2 are the right one for the Megane, but that means a greater expense of money.
What is your advice?
Thank you
If you prefer the Cup 2 over the PSS, you'll probably still prefer the Cup 2. The PS4S offers similar dry grip to the PSS, much improved wet grip, but it still has comfort and noise in mind which detracts from the steering feel. As the Cup 2 is designed just for driving pleasure, it "feels" much better, even if the ultimate dry grip isn't that much higher.
Thank you!
I'll go for the CUP2 as i love to "feel" the road, or better the track!
Great news, and feel free to leave a review when you have the time, we only have one for the cup 2 at the moment!
http://www.tyrereviews.co.u...
Wish they were available in my size for my RS6, 255/40-19..
Sadly that size isn't planned for 2017 for the PS4S, but it is due to be released in the PS4.
Yes odd - I too want 255/40R19 for my S6 but I'll have to stick with the PS4 I suppose.
Thanks for the review.
The rumour is the larger ps4 sizes are even closer to the ps4s than the smaller, so I don't think you'll be disappointed :)
Thank you - that's very good to hear!
I currently run ContiSportContact 5P tyres 255/35R20 & 275/30R20 but want to go up to 265/35R20 &295/30R20 but Pilot Sport 4S do not come in this size for that rim. What would be a good alternative? I am in Australia
Thanks
The Continental Sport Contact 6 is in those sizes and an excellent tyre.
Thanks for that info. In your opinion do they perform as good as the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S & the ContiSportContact 5P
The 6 is a much better tyre than the 5P (it replaces the 5P).
No one has independently tested the 6 against the 4S test so it's harder to say.
An educated guess is that in raw performance the 6 and 4S will be very similar, other than maybe wear where the Michelin will have an advantage.
Thanks for your help, I will give them a go and see how they perform, hopefully they wear a little better than the 5P's.
7% better according to the spider diagram from the launch!
http://www.tyrereviews.co.u...
They feel loads better though
Cool 7% better than nothing
2017 R8 V10 Plus from Australia.
Here we're getting the PS4S in July, should I wait for it or just get PSS instead?
The video should answer that for you :) Wet grip is vastly improved, so if that's important to you wait!
R34 gtt and R35 owner
R34 on nitto nt05
R35 on oem dunlop
Would u suggest replace ps4 for r34 and ps4s for r35
The pss was not good enough for dry grip and side wall was not hard enough for r35
Thx a lot
If you need more dry grip, you need to be looking at the Pilot Sport Cup 2 for both cars.
Neither the PS4S or PSS move the raw dry grip on a huge amount when compared to the PSS, and the sidewalls are both softer (highlighted in the video), which leads me to believe you'd definitely be better off with a dedicated track tyre.
Hello,
Is planned by Michelin to do the PS4S N-rated on 19" sizes?
I'm currently with 235/35 295/30 19 PSS on my 2009 Porsche Carrera 997 and I’m not satisfied with them because of handling balance especially for the front. It causes heavy push-under when accelerated at tight corner on a track as well as street.
I'm thinking to go with standard PS4S but I'm concerned about PS2 N-rated again because of balance. Without PS4S N-rated, which shall I go for the replacement?
Many N ratings are in the pipeline, however the release schedule for these is largely unknown.
Personally I'd move to the non n-rated PS4S if you need to replace now.
Ok, will go for the non-N PS4S, thanks!
Great, let us know how you find them :)
Hi, Have just watched your review between the Michelin super sport & 4s. I have the Super sport on my C63 which are fantastic in the dry and OK in the wet, unless you put your foot down then there is no grip and the back end is out to the side. Would you say that the 4s would overcome this or would you recommend a different tyre for the winter?
The 4S is likely the best performing UHP summer tyre and will be a significant improvement over the Pilot Super Sport. That said, the C63 has a lot of power and torque, so we're not sure you'll be able to apply full throttle in the cold and wet with ANY tyre in the lower gears.
For ultimate safety a winter tyre would be recommended for the coldest months.
OK, thanks for your reply. So what tyre would you recommend for the wet / winter as this drives me mad which is a shame because the car is amazing. Will stick with the super sport for now as summer is on its way, just trying to sort which tyre for next winter. Thanks
That largely depends on where in the country you live, what time you drive, and whether you can leave the car at home when it's snowing or icy.
Personally I'd put the 4S on when the PSS are due for replacement, then if you find you're having issues in the winter or need to stay mobile whatever the conditions, look at a full winter option.
OK, I shall follow your advice. Thanks
Just to confirm something you mentioned in the video....the PS4S is quieter and more comfortable compared to the PSS? I've got a 2015 Porsche 911 (base), now have Pirelli P-Zeros (20") with about 16K miles on them. Want to change to Michelin rubber!
Correct, the PS4S is noticeably quieter and more comfortable than the PSS
What is the Treadwear of the MS4S?
The treadwear rating for each sizes of the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S can be found on the Michelin website.
Bmw e92 m3 specific question:
What size of spacers do you run (front)(rear)? And was there ever any issues with tyres rubbing against the wheel arch with 255/35/19 and 275/35/19?
Also thanks for a excellent review!
10mm rear, nothing front. They're after market wheels with non-oe widths and offsets so spacers really depend on what wheels you're running.
And yes, a bit of rubbing on rear arches. No one is allowed in the back!
Hello,
I drive a modified Nissan 370Z (~400hp/400nm), currently equipped with Michelin PSS. No Track, just german Autobahn with a lot of high-speed driving. Almost no hard Corners, rarely hard braking. Should I stay with the PSS or give the PS4 a try? I also would love to try the Pirelli PZero Nero, but would it really be an improvement over the PSS/PS4?
The Pirelli P Zero Nero isn't the same category as these tyres, the closest Pirelli would be the PZ4 P Zero.
If there's no track work with no hard cornering, the PS4 might be a good option as you'll appreciate the improved comfort, lower noise and better wet grip when compared to the PSS you're replacing.
For noise and comfort, how do PS4 compare with PZ4? I'm running 245/40 18".
Take a look at some of the tests from this year that feature both:
http://www.tyrereviews.co.u...
They're comparable :)
Yes PS4S VS PSC2 please
On it :)
Lap time delta on track would be a good test.
There's no way we'd do a test like that on the road! Wet and dry lap times is essential.
Who said anything about on the road. I said lap time delta "on track" who goes about setting lap times on the public roads? That's just stupid. Without something like track data there is little point in the comparison just based on the road as MPC2 is designed for use on track.
Read our comment again...
Yes read it again, and again I can't see why you responded with "There's no way we'd do a test like that on the road!" because I never said to do that nor did I insinuate you would do such a test on the road.
Ah, just some confusion as this page relating to a road-only test of a tyre, and you asking for track times. If / when the PSC2 is tested, there will be plenty of track work, and lots of timing.
Is planned by Michelin to do the MS4S also on 18" sizes?
I'm currently with 225/40 18 PSS on my Mazda3 and I'm looking for a replacement but less noisy and fuel consumption friendly, the MS4S seems to the best option for that but maintaining or improving in almost all areas the performances of PSS.
I'm thinking to go with standard MS4 but I'm concerned about the fact they are far behind in terms of pure sporty driving.
Is there some other alternatives or is better to go again with PSS in 225/40 18?
Michelin are currently saying there are no plans for 18" MPS4S, and they certainly won't appear in 2017 but that doesn't mean they won't ever be made.
For now the 18" PSS sizes will continue where there's OE. The MPS4 would certainly give you an improvement of ride comfort and economy, and would be our choice of 18" tyre if you want to try something other than the PSS. The Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 3 is also worth looking at.
Great comparison, really thorough! We definitely need that PS4S vs PSC2 test, and maybe a little more information about the differences between the PS4, the SportContact 6 and the Asymmetric 3.
Thank you :) We're working on the PS4S Vs PSCup2 video!
You're unlikely to see a PS4 vs SC6 as like with the PS4S there's very few, if any, cross over sizes to test.
The PS4 has been tested against the SC5 and F1A3 by auto express in 2016 which you can find on this site in the test section :)
I will look for that test, thanks. Have you ever done a
comparison between track tyres? The PSC2 are probably the most well
known but they don't seem to be the most critically acclaimed (the Toyo
R888R come to mind)...
Sadly we haven't, it's something we'd like to do but the demand is relatively low. The MPSC2 was featured in a test in 2015.
http://www.tyrereviews.co.u...
Ok, cheers.
Im sure i read an article on here where you compared a couple of track tyres? Toyo was one, cant remember other...
We tested road vs track, and Auto Bild did a track day test in 2013 -
http://www.tyrereviews.co.u...
http://www.tyrereviews.co.u...
One of these?
Ah yes! Road v Track, thats the one... :-)