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I couldn't help but notice that Autoexpress removed the Nokian from the list of competitors despite the fact they still keep the photos of Nokians there;
http://www.autoexpress.co.u...
Anyone knows why something like that would happen?
A good question.
In 2015 Nokian tyres admitted to have cheated in tyre tests in Europe in the past.
This was meant to be been in the early 2000s, and shouldn't have affected tests in 2015, however Auto Express decided to remove the results from the test just in case.
Auto Express have now removed the Nokian from the test. This may explain why my experience of them differs so greatly to others in the review section - someone said they were the best wet tyre they've ever had, for me it's the exact opposite. Presumably other's have got the Auto Express versions.
Perhaps TyreReviews could dig into the story here. I certainly feel mislead by Nokian and Auto Express, as I bought mine on the strength of the now-nullified 1st placing in this review.
Ah, looks like it's related to a Finnish newspaper accusing Nokian on making special tyres for tests, which Nokian seems to have effectively admitted to, saying they "regret any mistakes" it made. Strange how I can't find any reference to this on TyreReviews.
Incidentally, it seems that Nokian said "everyone's at it though", as some sort of childish defence, only for this to be swiftly denied by any other tyre manufacturer.
we have just bought 4x maxxis AP2's for our abarth , and they are bloody good, winter here in the borders of Scotland wet and cold, performing brilliantly :) miles better than the pirelli p zero neros that were on it when we bought it! cant wait for the snow! lol
I am considering Maxxis AP2 for my Skoda Rapid this autumn 2017; how have you managed in your Fiat for the last 2 years?
we about to sell it now! tyres have been very good in all conditions, awesome in the wet, fine in the summer, great in winter conditions..rears are still like new, and fronts are now on about 4mill, the only problem is, as the fronts have worn they have got more and more noisy , and tend to drone now, which is annoying.... otherwise, great value for money considering the grip in all conditions. the car we are replacing it with has rainsports on (which I don't like, had them before) and come autumn, i am seriously considering another set of these for the new car. price vs performance works out well.
Thanks; I will certainly get a quote for Maxxis in November, if my tyre size is available.
Dave, I have some additional questions. I consider buying AP2 for my Fiesta ST but I’m afraid of loosing some of the performance abilities, especially during fast cornering and heavy braking. As Abarth is also hot hatch and delivers similar power your opinion is priceless - how would you rank AP2 from 0 to 100 % in case of fast cornering and heavy braking on dry in the summer? And what about the wear - after 2 years you see wear at the front but how many miles/kilometers have you covered? In „normal” car I would give it a try with no doubt but I’m afraid of loosing such a great experience of driving a hot hatch. Normally I don’t drive agressively but it’s great to feel that magic on some corners sometimes.
hi, you do loose some performance in the summer, but not as much as you might think.. the Abarth still felt "alive" and fun in the hot summer days, the tyres are a little softer than normal, but its not as much of a compromise as you might think. we have donr about 10,000 miles, and the fronts were down to 4 mm.... so not the best in wear, but thats what you get for having a softer tyre ;) we had pirelli p zero neros on before, and I would say these are about 90% of them on a hot summer day.... biggest drawback I think is the noise when they wear down a bit, they start to "drone" The fiest ST is an awesome cornering car, its will still show you the "magic" ;)
hi, you do loose some performance in the summer, but not as much as you might think.. the Abarth still felt "alive" and fun in the hot summer days, the tyres are a little softer than normal, but its not as much of a compromise as you might think. we have donr about 10,000 miles, and the fronts were down to 4 mm.... so not the best in wear, but thats what you get for having a softer tyre ;) we had pirelli p zero neros on before, and I would say these are about 90% of them on a hot summer day.... biggest drawback I think is the noise when they wear down a bit, they start to "drone" The fiesta ST is an awesome cornering car, its will still show you the "magic" ;)
Thank you a lot for the reply :) So I’m one step closer to buying them I guess :)
Hi Tyrereviews. I am seriously considering getting either a set of all season or winter tyres for my Gen 2 Toyota Prius. As you may or may not know, the traction control is a bit fierce on this model as it won't allow the driver to spin up the front tyres for fear of damaging the electric motor. I have found this to my cost when attempting quick getaways at junctions in the wet! It doesn't like to be rushed! To compound this, I live and work in Sheffield, which is full of steep hills and often gets snow. Would i be better off with a full blown set of winter tyres, and take the hit in rolling resistance economy. Or would something like the crossclimate or new Vector 4's be a better general bet? I have always got by on normal tyres before so this is a big decision! Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I live near and drive around sheff so I know how steep those hills can be!
A full winter tyre is the best option if it's a second set and you want the best in severe conditions. Couple of further notes though, some winter tyres have a surprisingly low rolling resistance, better than some summer tyres... The new vector and nokian outperformed the conti full winter in the snow...
Do you drive mostly in the city or get out on the open road more? This would help decisions as if you seldom leave town full winter will be great, but if you are mostly hooning around the outskirts getting some speed up you may benefit more from the improved dynamics of an all season...
I actually commute in from Whitwell most days. (easier to say I live in Sheffield than explain where my village is to strangers :-) ) I live at the bottom of a steep valley that, although not often, when it snows, it gets bad quick! So my journey is typically a mix of hilly country lanes and A roads, followed by the hills of sheffield. I also semi regularly do motorway runs into Leeds. I think my hooning days are over and my prius is more fussed about MPG lol but yes, you can get some nice fast corners linked up on the back lanes. But the gritters never make it down those lanes either.
I'd personally prefer an all season in that case, not that there's a lot of difference but it all helps... See what the guys here have to input...
I'm in clowne btw!
Btw there's a good Indy where I get my internet tyres fitted in halfway, Holbrook tyres, don't charge a lot and good chaps. Of course you may know already.
Funny co-incidence that! Thanks for all the advice so far Andy :-)
Well, I've bitten the bullet and went with the Nokian weatherproofs. I went with the better snow capability. Nightmares of sliding backwards down granville road are still fresh in memory!
The snow performance of any of the all season tyres tested is good enough for most of the UK winters, as we've found out recently:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...
Let us know how you get on with the Nokians, they're a very well regarded tyre :)
Thanks. I will keep you posted. But obviously I have the running in period so won't be able to say much for a couple of weeks. Just out of curiosity, I saw that video on Evo's website as well. When will the full results be published?
We're hoping for Friday :)
Lol yes I can imagine, Granville is a long old drag...
You should be happy with the nokian, I've been using them for a number of years now after moving from vredestein and continental and they are superior In every way. The wet grip if the nokian line I have currently is immense and seems better than the dry grip.
Do keep us posted, I'd like to hear how the weatherproof fare in the dry on our local roads...
Keep meaning to enquire as to how the nokian are faring so far?
Ive been given a nudge into asking as I suspect i may have seen your motor at drakehouse today? Silver prius, set of four weatherproof, not seen any other nokian about round our way...
Didnt get a nosey at the tyres as busy with kids and lots of other people about meant no opportunity for a quick gander!
Is it better to run all-season/summer tyre sets rather than winter/summer, since the newer all-seasons appear to have a wider operating window than winter tyres in the UK?
Quite possibly, as the winter/all season window is closing, some of the latest breed of all season are equalling or bettering the full winters in the snow, but in the ice the winter tyres softer compound and treat design will most likely still be superior.
However for the UK and similar climates, some of the latest all season tyres are stacking up to make more sense in the winter than a winter tyre, due to the proportion of dry and wet weather vs snow and ice...
It depends on the car, tyre size and intended use.
For smaller city cars, with 16" and below wheels which need to be mobile in all weather conditions an all season tyre is a real option now
Had to look into this evergrip tech, very good indeed, nice to see at least one manufacturer not just making tyres good in the short-term,
This article is what I read http://www.rubbernews.com/a... found it interesting, have you guys here reported on this at all? If not it may make a good read for others too!
Well done Michelin, you've got my attention! :-)
Unfortunately successor of A001, the Firestone MultiSeason, wasn´t included.
I know firestone is part of the Bridgestone group, but I'm struggling to see how the multiseason would be successor to the a001!
We're with Andy on this one, the Firestone MultiSeason is actually an evolution of a previous Firestone winter tyre
I love myA001 tyres, have bridgestone stopped selling them?
As far as we're aware they're still available. If you like the A001 it will also be worth looking at the CrossClimate, it has a similar ethos just with latest technology.
http://www.tyrereviews.co.u...
Have they stopped selling the A001? Ive got these fitted to my mondeo and love them, ill never buy another summer tyre for the car as these tyres are super in the dry, and excellent in the wet
It is indeed a real pity the Michelin crossclimate and Hankook kinergy 4s weren't/couldn't be included.
The Michelin promises more than ever before, whilst the Hankook has some nice sidewall technology that promises to keep things in check in the handling and braking parameters, overcoming some of the influence of the soft, siped tread blocks by reducing the amount of 'give' in the carcass, kind-of similar to going down a little in aspect ratio (sidewall height)...
We'll soon be testing the CrossClimate against the TS850, Vector 4Season and Primacy 3 to find out which is the best tyre for year round use in the UK.
Watch this space.
If you could wangle some of the hankook too that'd be ace
...and if you want any help testing them, I'm sure I could lend a hand, at a pinch!... ;-)
Sadly it's not an all season tyre test (Auto Bild and Auto Express have got those covered!), it's trying to decide which is the best type of tyre, so we've gone with the respective best in category where possible.
I see! Makes sense!
see here: http://www.autobild.de/arti...
Thanks Jan, great link. We'll be covering it tomorrow.
Looking forward to that! If Google translated it well enough they are testing the very latest offerings like the crossclimate?
Correct! The short version is the gen 2 Goodyear is slightly better in the wet, much better in the snow, and the CrossClimate better in the dry. Goodyear seem to have made the Vector 4Seasons more "all season" than the previous by reducing the snow performance, much like Michelin but to a lesser degree.
I'm very interested to see how the hankook fared, there may be a 'new' car in our household soon and if said steed needs new tyres I'm 90% going for all season, but budget being what it is (or rather isn't) it's a potential toss-up between the new hankook and the falken as 200.
Strengths: Versatility with good winter performance, dynamic handling dry, pleasant ride comfort, good price-performance ratio.
Weakness: Average wet grip
Cheers! This is my dilemma, the falken is reputed for good wet grip but understeery in the dry, now I've got some hankook data, mediocre in wet and dynamic in the dry, which is what I suspected, I'm still torn!
As a driver I hate understeer and imprecise dynamics, as a family man I value safety in the wet, and as a driver I value wet grip, but then I hate understeer...
Hmmmppphhh... :-/
Check your email :)
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Regarding Goodyear it is unpleasant surprise to me that the Gen2 is quite noisy, it produces boomy low frequency sound on 16 inch rims at velocity of 80 km/h and over similar but still different from winter tires. Don't know if it is the same in smaller sizes.
Very strange, in our tested 205/55 R16 we noticed no unusual noise issues. They were in fact very quiet!
Must confirm that Goodyear were really noisy, almost as common winter tyre, compared to Nokian Weatherproof driven the same day... However that just comfirmes test results were Nokian is more silent tyre than Goodyear...
how it is michelin crossclimate compared to those on test ? would be interesting to see
We'll soon be testing the CrossClimate against the TS850, Vector 4Season and Primacy 3 to find out which is the best tyre for year round use in the UK.
Watch this space.
I have a Honda CRV with 225/60 r18100h and find the all season tyre providers restricted I contacted Michelin yesterday and they say my size will not be till 2017 in Cross Climate-- I may be having to go to Dunlop or General
You'll likely find the Dunlop and General are "America" all season tyres, in that they'll have no where near the snow or wet performance of our all season tyres.
In your size, you might find the Goodyear Vector 4Seasons is available. Sadly it's a difficult size.